hi everyone
thank you for your response John
I agree with you -
Mike your email/view is a bit too harsh-
it was a shocking read-
so many grays between
heavy issues to contend with
no simple answers
and this incident is certainly lacking in any humor whatsoever
or disregard for human life on any level, for any one - one life who ever it
may is too much to lose
and there is sooo much loss of life and fear of loss of life floating in the
air these days..
we are living through a very sad time in history.
I sure hope we in our humanity are able to contribute to reshape things to
build a better tomorrow today - use our amazing gifts to create healing and
vitality.
sharose
----- Original Message -----
From: "tschibasch" <tschibasch_at_yahoo.com>
To: <OliveStarlightOrchestra_at_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 2:29 PM
Subject: [OliveStarlightOrchestra] Re: Rachel "The Human Waffle" Corrie.
> Hello, everyone.
>
> I found message #666 by Mike worth responding to. Sorry, but the
> Rachel Corrie jokes posted earlier were in poor taste; nor I did not
> find them especially funny.
>
> I think there is a similarity between Rachel Corrie and John Walker
> Lindh: Both were young people from affluent backgrounds, idealists
> thinking they have figured out what's wrong with the World and wanting
> to fix it. Imagine how driven they were - they left the comfort of
> their homes to struggle aloung with others in troubled Third World
> countries...
>
> I would say that being young, at least they have an excuse for such
> behavior! I think Mike's point of view is too harsh. Rachel would
> probably have changed her views on things if she had lived long enough.
>
> I have met people who joined organizations to help people in Africa,
> and lived there a few years. Sometimes even longer than that. They
> went over very excited and idealistic with a desire to help out
> oppressed peoples, and returned with a more realistic view of things:
> It's not as simple as they had thought.
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> --- In OliveStarlightOrchestra_at_yahoogroups.com, "Mikal" <mikalm_at_i...>
> wrote:
> > Sharose (and everyone else),
> >
> > I have zero regard for this waste of space and oxygen, who has now made
> > herself the woman to beat in the 2003 Darwin Awards.
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > * Rachel Corrie was not some Palestinian toddler who wandered into
> the path
> > of an earthmover and got mowed down. She was an allegedly educated
> adult
> > who traveled halfway across the world, into a war zone, with the
> sole intent
> > of inflaming an already insane and deadly situation. The group she
> worked
> > there with has a stated goal of "armed liberation" of the Palestinian
> > region. Maybe I'm a little slow, but "armed liberation" seems to imply
> > shooting, war, violence, that sort of thing. Is it any wonder she met a
> > violent end under their tutelage?
> >
> > * She tried to agitate a mob of Palestinians against the U.S. and
> Israel by
> > burning an improvised American Flag in their midst. Don't believe me?
> > Check out these two pics, and then wonder why you haven't seen them
> in the
> > mainstream media:
> >
> > http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Pictures/rachel-corrie-flagburner.jpg
> >
> > http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Pictures/rachel-corrie-flag-02.jpg
> >
> > Does this look like the face of a loving, tolerant, nurturing
> person? Or
> > does it look like someone with serious anger problems, who chose
> political
> > violence rather than therapy as a way to deal with personal demons?
> >
> > * The bulldozer was a huge, armored ('dozer drivers get sniped at
> regularly
> > in these areas) vehicle with virtually zero visibility except at
> > straight-ahead 12-o'clock. I've know people who've worked on
> construction
> > sites and road crews, and they've all said to NEVER get near a mobile
> > earthmover for this reason...and they were talking about
> garden-variety ones
> > half the size of this behemoth.
> >
> > * As I said earlier, she was in a war zone -- the bulldozing was an IDF
> > operation, and was accompanied by a troop detail. Anyone not a trained,
> > armed combatant who enters such an area is taking an unimaginably stupid
> > risk with their life, and should be prepared to die in an ugly manner.
> >
> > * According to more than one eyewitness, she wasn't even standing in
> front
> > of the 'dozer. Those pics of her standing were taken earlier in the
> day, at
> > different sites (note that the shadows, light, and even the machine
> seem to
> > be different). The witnesses said that in but sitting on a mound of
> earth
> > well out of the sight range of the driver. It is quite possible
> that she
> > was killed not by being run over, but by the collapse of the earth
> mound as
> > the 'dozer caved it in from the side.
> >
> > * Whatever the scenario or exact cause of death, did she really
> think she
> > could get away with playing chicken with a moving 40-ton vehicle whose
> > driver couldn't see her clearly? Maybe my folks were a bit strict,
> but from
> > an early age I was taught not to run in front of cars for this
> reason. I
> > guess all that edumacation at Evergreen State University, and all those
> > activist circle-jerks, convinced her that the laws of physics and common
> > sense didn't apply to such an enlightened and progressive womyn as
> herself.
> >
> > * If she was so much against war and killing, then why did she waste her
> > time protecting ABANDONED BUILDINGS? Why didn't she, say, try to
> stop one
> > of the suicide bombings that claims Israeli lives on a weekly basis?
> The
> > answer: she was a moral coward who went up against Israel and America
> > because they were CIVILIZED DEMOCRACIES UNDER THE RULE OF LAW, who allow
> > idiots like this huge amounts of latitude to interfere with
> government and
> > private activities in the name of free speech. The very reason this
> case is
> > so publicized -- unlike, say, the ones about slave-freeing missionaries
> > being murdered in the Sudan -- is that it's an ANOMALY in Israel.
> Losers
> > like Corrie are looking for cheap and painless ways of making themselves
> > moral authorities and martyrs, since they can't advance themselves
> through
> > careers, relationships or other productive means of finding one's
> identity.
> > A REAL radical humanitarian -- one who was GENUINELY concerned about
> REAL
> > oppression and murder -- would have gone to Iraq, North Korea, the
> PA, or
> > any kleptocratic Third World toilet, and fought the epic brutality and
> > bloodlettings in such places. And of course, would have been
> whacked the
> > second they opened their mouth.
> >
> > Rachel Corrie has now joined the Idealistic Idiot Sisterhood,
> alongside Amy
> > Biehl, Lori Berenson, and Rosebud DeNovo -- disturbed, deluded women who
> > thought that their personal convictions justified their stupid
> politics, and
> > would protect them from the consequences of their suicidal antics.
> I know,
> > I know...it's their FEEEEEELINGS that are important. Well, I'm sure
> that
> > Road-Pizza Rachel had strong FEEEEELINGS. But because those strong
> > FEEELINGS weren't balanced by personal responsibility or common
> sense, she's
> > now not FEEEELING anything at all.
> >
> > In closing, I would say that my sympathy for some poor Iraqi draftee
> eating
> > sand and dodging bullets on behalf of a monster like Saddam, is about
> > 100,000 times that of mine for a deranged, self-hating terrorist enabler
> > like Rachel Corrie. The political culture and gene pool is
> healthier in her
> > absence.
> >
> > Mikal, the Heartless Reactionary Warmonger Zionist
>
>
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