--- In OliveStarlightOrchestra_at_yahoogroups.com, "toughslush"
<meurtre_at_e...> wrote:
> I'm curious, of course, as to whether any of you will be changing
> your minds about this war if (when) we can definitely test the
> potential WMD sites (labs, etc.) and prove that they were there all
> along (rather than being magically dissolved by pixie dust in the
> early 90s). And if (when) we are able to comb through the
> records and establish that Salman Pak and other terrorist
> training camps in Iraq were used by Al Qaeda in their actions
> against us. [For more, see my last blog.]
>
> But, no matter. I think it's possible to support the troops on a
> certain level without approving of the war. But I suspect the
> troops prefer to hear that we like what they are doing, feel more
> "supported" by the demonstrations that use the flag and applaud
> the troops versus those that do not.
>
> I also think there's something very troubling about having a
> protest against the war in such a way that it diverts city
resources
> against basic security measures, and therefore the "war" against
> terrorism. Some of the tactics employed by the leftists and
> liberals in these actions--blocking traffic, throwing up on
> buildings, looting excursions--keep other people from earning a
> living during a recession. It's hugely destructive to working
> people, and a drain on municipal resources.
>
> I do not concede that this administration is in any way against
> free speech. I understand that it's hip to believe that, but I
haven't
> really seen any evidence to that effect.
>
> As far as Hollywood is concerned, David--aw, come on. The
> entertainment industry is about 90% liberal-left, and those who
> are "out" libertarians/conservatives are hurt by discriminatory
> hiring practices all the damned time. The fact that some
> entertainers have received a little blowback from saying largely
> inane and silly things--in some cases, making statements that
> amount to a "fuck you" to Middle America and add nothing to
> public discourse--may be an overdue consciousness-raiser.
>
> If Jeanane Garofolo or Cheryl Crow make stupid remarks, and I
> point out that they are stupid--much as I admire these ladies'
> work--I'm not anti-free-speech. I'm anti-stupidity.
>
> --J
>
> --- In OliveStarlightOrchestra_at_yahoogroups.com, "tschibasch"
> <tschibasch_at_y...> wrote:
> > I could not agree more with David. It is entirely possible to be
> > AGAINST the war but SUPPORT the military. And it is our right
> to
> > demonstrate, if we so choose.
> >
> > And another thing: We are only too aware that Iraqis could
> never
> > demostrate against their own government. The fact that they
> cannot and
> > we can does not mean that we shouldn't.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In OliveStarlightOrchestra_at_yahoogroups.com, "dne44"
> <dne_at_d...> wrote:
> > > Lenny-
> > >
> > > It's as simple as this: I respect and admire the courage,
> dedication
> > > and professionalism of our troops. However, I do not believe
> in the
> > > cause and timing of this war as outlined by our government,
> and
> > > therefore do not support the war. This does not strike me as
> a self-
> > > contradicting view in the least.
> > >
> > > When we see actions such as those taken by the president
> of the
> > > baseball hall of fame refusing to honor the movie Bull
> Durham because
> > > of the political views of Tim Ribbins and Susan Sarandon, it
> strikes
> > > me that more than ever people are losing the ability to be
> rational
> > > about what free speech is supposed to mean (and this is
> true of both
> > > sides; however, it is particularly worrisome on the right since
> the
> > > government is taking an actively anti-free speech stand, at
> least
> > > rhetorically).
> > >
> > > - David
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In OliveStarlightOrchestra_at_yahoogroups.com, "7visions"
> > > <7visions_at_p...> wrote:
> > > > As for the " I Support the Troops" line being bandied about,
> it has
> > > always
> > > > been a bit of a cliche. This men and women have trained
> for a long
> > > time to
> > > > be where they are. If you say, "I Support the Troops, but I
> am
> > > against what
> > > > they are doing", just what are you actually saying? ..." I
think
> > > you are
> > > > nice people, but I don't like soldiers". ?
> > > >
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