Re: Re: Time for the "new old new" mall? and Furry Freak Bros.

From: 7visions <7visions_at_prodigy.net_at_hypermail.org>
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:59:21 -0800

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Actually my opposition to this new development is growing, the more I think
about it.

First off, this dumb "parkland" idea. A few trees on a building DOES NOT
constitute nature. Nature is WILD and VAST. What Macerich is proposing is a
garden.

Nature is the High Sierra, the desert. Locally it is the SM Mountains park.
THAT is nature.

I just love how the developers rape the Earth and then put a few trees on
top of a building and call it "nature" Disgusting.

As for the other parts of the plan...the 21 story buildings???? What the
hell for?

All it will do is cause literally YEARS of construction and congestion and
DIRT. I love holiday shopping in Santa Monica. Too bad at least four
Decembers will be made unbearble until they would finish this monstrosity.

Lenny " Wish I could afford to move to Malibu" Shaw
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> > On Nov 20, 2004, at 1:53 AM, Georgie Hinklemyer wrote:
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> > > Grass is easy enough, although a vegetable garden would be more
> > > practical and politically appropriate. But they'll probably choose
> > > lots of different, colorful plants (xeriscaped?) which need about a
> > > foot or less of dirt. Azaleas or camelias could work, although they
> > > prefer shade. Cactus would appreciate the unobstructed sunlight.
> > > Trees? Possible, if boxed up. They'd probably go with crepe myrtle
> > > because it's shapely, flowery, and easy to grow. (They're not even a
> > > true tree.)
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> > > Forget saplings, and especially the palm trees (although their roots
> > > are shallow enough). The biggest problem will be the stronger winds
> > > up there. Unobstructed High winds. You wouldn't WANT things that
> > > were tall enough to be knocked over.
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> > > What about wildlife? A few birds will show up, maybe. Some rats will
> > > inevitably move in for the human leavings. What about earthworms?
> > > Composting bacteria? At least a couple of squirrels to munch on the
> > > myrtle branches? None. Now THAT'S boring. (On the other hand, they
> > > can probably do without insecticides for quite a long time, not having
> > > anything nearby to "share" with them.)
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> > > Another problem: several feet of dirt would weigh close to solid
> > > cement at half the thickness. They'll be putting quite a strain on
> > > the structure if it goes too deep. It'd be even heavier after it's
> > > been watered. Not to mention the added mass as the plants grow.
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> > > Still, I'd like to see what they do to it. Echoing The Queen's
> > > question below: would the so-called "parks" be open to the general
> > > public or just to the immediate residents?
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> > > Georgie H.
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> > > P.S. Lenny, you just haven't rolled around in the right kind of grass
> > > if you think it's all the itchy type... :)
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> > >
> > > --- In OliveStarlightOrchestra_at_yahoogroups.com, "7visions"
> > > <7visions_at_p...> wrote:
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> > >> What the hell kind of "parkland" can you put on top of a building???
> > > ?
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> > >> Big gorgeous trees? Shady paths? Forest glades?
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> > >> What nonsense!!!!
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> > >> Guess what it would be, and here I KNOW that I will offend many
> > >> suburbanites....
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> > >> It would be GRASS!!!! BORING BLAND ITCHY GRASS!!!!! I HATE LAWNS!!!!
> > > !
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> > >> and a couple of saplings... and maybe a palm
> > >>
> > >> Here is my suggestion:
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> > >> Knock out Santa Monica Place, extend the 3rd street Promenade, have
> > > it
> > >> bisect an open mall of no more than five levels, bring in more
> > > restaurants,
> > >> and a Legit theater ( that is stage theater)and a concert hall. Add
> > > a
> > >> skateboard park, ( local culture , a tribute to Dogtown) and an ice
> > > rink for
> > >> the holidays.
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> > >> Nix the 21 story buildings and DEFINITELY NO ASTROTURF PARKLANDS
> > >>
> > >> Lenny "Urban Critic" Shaw
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> > >> ----- Original Message ----- * I'm really intrigued by the idea of
> > > adding
> > >> rooftop parkland along the
> > >> tops of the buildings on 2nd and 4th;
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> > >> * I'm curious as to which strips of green space would be open to the
> > >> public--would all the parkland at the new new mall be private, only
> > > for
> > >> residents?
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> > >> * I wonder how policing of the rooftop parklands would work, and how
> > >> they'd be lit'
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Received on 2004-11-22 12:59:36