Re: The Great CA-CA Debate

From: dne44 <dne_at_dslextreme.com_at_hypermail.org>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:11:49 -0000

For a few cents more:

1) Arnie: If you believe that confidence and apparent determination
alone can make someone a successful governor, Arnie picked up some
points. If you think you should have the slightest clue how
government works, experience, or any concrete plans, I don't think he
did.

2) McClintock: Solid debater, no compromise, hard line conservative.
Of course, he's wrong on 80% of his ideas from my left of center
P.o.V.

3) Camejo: Along with McClintock, the best performance of the night,
though he's certainly not a natural debater. The far left and far
right seemed to have the best night (and, amusingly, agreed on
several points).

4) Arianna: Did the gadfly act -- though she's been better. Annoyed
the heck out of everyone (including me -- and I generally like her as
a commentator), but made a few decent points. I just wish she'd
said "We don't want a Governor Gangbang" -- that would have topped
the night.

5) Bustamente: Strategically took the "I'm staying above the fray"
approach with mixed results. Seemed way too passive at times, and
didn't make much of a case for himself until his conclusion. But he
also didn't look silly like Arnold and Arianna sometimes did in their
sniping, and seemed to be working hardest toward compromise, which is
a useful skill. That said, the whole donations scandal and the stain
of Davis really hurt him.

- David

--- In OliveStarlightOrchestra_at_yahoogroups.com, "Georgie Hinklemyer"
<samoolives_at_y...> wrote:
> Hiram,
> I have to agree with you on several points. However:
>
> 1. Arnie Baby. He wasn't just an actor. I believe he is sincere.
> However, I don't think he's got any clue how to run a government.
Yes,
> he is very determined. (And I thought his closing argument was
> actually a GOOD thing: "I can accomplish whatever I set my mind to
do.
> ") But he was all generalities and no specifics.
>
> 2. Mc Clintock. Straight man. I give him my utmost respect. He
is
> sincere, honest, and has very carefully considered plans on how to
get
> things done. He knows the system and can finally make it work.
> However, I don't agree with all of his goals. No vote from me.
>
> 3. King Camejo-mejo. (I apologise. He didn't deserve that at all.)
Is
> he living in a world slightly different than the rest of us? Some
of
> his viewpoints and solutions didn't sound related to the current
> California situation. Good debater, definite plans for improving
> things, as he sees them. I don't agree with him.
>
> 4. Ms. Aireanna. As I told Ozzy before the debate, she's going to
be
> the harridan. She was. More interested in attacking than making
> herself look good. Very entertaining, but not a leader. Bye bye.
>
> 5. Tom Slick. Mr. Bustamonte was in terrific form tonight.
Smirking
> at everyone whenever they interrupted him as if to say, "I can wait
> while you make a fool of yourself." Answering the questions -
AFTER
> pushing his agenda first. I thought his closing 2-minute statement
was
> very good. "I came from a poor family, etc., etc." But I've also
> heard the other things he's said, and not just at this 5-ring
circus.
> I believe he knows the value of a dollar - in his own pocket. I
can't
> see things improving too much under him.
>
> Which leaves...what? Back to Davis? 'Fraid so. I'm voting against
the
> recall.
>
> Can anyone convince me otherwise? PLEASE?!?!?
>
> --G.Hinklemeyer
>
>
> --- In OliveStarlightOrchestra_at_yahoogroups.com, "Hiram Gonash"
> <okfreddy_at_h...> wrote:
> > Random Thoughts about the Great Debate
> >
> > It was one of the best entertainment values I've seen in a long
> time.
> > The 5 candidates were unalike enough and, for the most part,
> volatile
> > enough to make for a great show. Add to it an incompetent
moderator
> > who had the evening's best line (about reducing his meds) - such
> fun.
> > It should be a weekly show.
> >
> > Arnold, I thought, came across as nothing more than an actor,
> someone
> > who has little to offer without a script. He came across as a
rich
> > superstar and not much more. His closing remark about wanting to
> give
> > something back to the state for his success, I felt, implied that
he
> > hadn't given enough to begin with. It just didn't sound right. He
> had
> > too many cliches, too many sound bites. After initial early
applause
> > for one bite, he rceived no further applause. No vote for him.
> >
> > McClintock, on the other hand, gained tremendously by offering
> > solutions to problems. I disagree with his basic positions
though -
> no
> > vote for him because of those positions. (10-1 Joy votes for this
> guy)
> > I felt however that he should NOT bow out of the race just to
unify
> > the Republicans. He is a valid alternative to Arnold and perhaps
the
> > better candidate of the two.
> >
> > Camejo had some good ideas which I agreed with. The only thing
> holding
> > me back from voting for him is that he wasn't aggressive enough
in
> the
> > debate. He didn't interrupt, no smart comebacks, nothing. He may
> have
> > done it,as he said, out of respect but in Politics you have to be
> > aggressive. As Governor you have to be the Leader. You have to
show
> > some backbone or you will be trampled. No vote for him but some
> > respect.
> >
> > Arianna (or 'Ms. Camejo' as Stan the Mod Med Man called her) had
the
> > aggressiveness and some of the best comebacks and putdowns. To
> Arnold:
> > "We'll see who can talk louder with an accent!" Her problem was
that
> > she had plenty of attack but little solutions. I wouldn't feel
> > comfortable voting for her though I agree with many of her
> complaints
> > about the system. No vote for her but I enjoyed watching her.
> >
> > Bustamante was ultra-slick with a pleasant speaking voice. I
noticed
> > he always agreed with the other candidates on some points. He was
> very
> > positive and showed great leadership. On the other hand I
wouldn't
> > trust him to babysit my penny jar. No vote for him but if he ever
> > records Steinbeck - I'm buying.
> >
> > A great, fun debate but I still can't decide who will receive my
> vote.
> >
> > If only Mary Carey were there...
> >
> > -Ozzy
> >
> > P.S. Lenny should become a moderator. He could do no worse than
> Stan.
Received on 2003-09-25 09:12:25