RE: Re: Back in the Saddle

From: Elena Dent <debadger_at_pacbell.net_at_hypermail.org>
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:05:57 -0700

Cool. In the West we seem to have splintered from Rome with the various Protestant movements, protesting ills they see in Rome's practices but beyond Rome's sphere of influence it looks like each ethnic group formed their own churches, loosely organized by the Patriarch of Constantinople? Rome tried, very early, to be a far more controlling figure than Constantinople did, it looks like. But do the various 'orthodox' churches have substantially different philosophies, as do the Protestants? Just idlly curious, since I'm not a practicing Catholic now but intrigued by how religion is so strongly shaped by culture.

Elena

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My sister is Syrian orthodox.

--J
Apr 12, 2006, at 10:39 PM, Elena Dent wrote:

> Websurfing several years ago did suggest to this former Catholic that
> the Anglican church's organization is far more like the various
> Orthodox churches than like Rome's. Raised in the West, we didn't
> hear much at all about the myriad Eastern churches, beyond names like
> Nestorian or Coptic. There are also far more good books on the
> history of places east of the Rhine now too.
>
> Elena
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OliveStarlightOrchestra_at_yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:OliveStarlightOrchestra_at_yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> Marinacci
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> Subject: Re: [OliveStarlightOrchestra] Re: Back in the Saddle
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> Not exactly. "Protestant" churches are all those sects who can trace
> their
> origins and *raisons d'etre* to Martin Luther and/or John Calvin. The
> Anglican Communion split from Rome for very different reasons, at a
> different time.
>
> In some ways, Anglicanism is almost like the Orthodoxy of
> English-speaking
> peoples, since it reflected a separation of an Apostolic, Catholic
> communion
> from Rome, rather than an attempt to establish a radically different
> form of
> Christian theology and organizational structure. An even better
> comparison
> would be to their sister churches on the Continent -- the European Old
> Catholics -- who left Rome after Vatican I's doctrinal innovations,
> yet are
> still considered "Catholic" albeit non-Roman.
>
> As for the Melkites: the RCC includes several "Eastern Rite"
> jurisdictions
> numbering many millions of people. They're essentially Orthodox who
> answer
> to the Patriarch of Rome. (Compare these to Rome's "Anglican Usage"
> parishes or the Orthodox "Western Rite" groups, which are composed
> largely
> of ex-Anglicans still getting used to life on the far side of the
> Bosporus
> or the Tiber.)
>
>
>
>
> Episcopalians are Protestants.
>
> And there's the unfortunate issue of the origins of Anglicanism. After
> all, a girl could really lose her head over a hunky monarch, once upon
> a time.
>
> --Q.M.
>
> On Apr 12, 2006, at 5:20 PM, Elena Dent wrote:
>
> > Aramaic is the liturgical language of the Melkites. How may there
> > are, I
> > haven't a clue. They're called 'Greek Rite' by the Roman Catholic
> > church
> > and were, at one time, the only 'church' I'd ever heard of whose
> > rites were
> > completely accepted by the Catholic Church (notorious for being
> > unwilling to
> > accept anyone, even Episcopalians)
> >
> > Elena
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: OliveStarlightOrchestra_at_yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:OliveStarlightOrchestra_at_yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
> > tschibasch
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:56 AM
> > To: OliveStarlightOrchestra_at_yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [OliveStarlightOrchestra] Re: Back in the Saddle
> >
> >
> > --- In OliveStarlightOrchestra_at_yahoogroups.com, Joy McCann
> > <jmmccann_at_...> wrote:
> > >
> > > BTW, can't ANYONE tell me what it was like to have Hebrew
> > essentially
> > > resurrected as a language after it was nearly dead, used only in
> > > temples/synogogues (DO, pls. fix spelling there; thanks). I mean,
> > > hadn't Hebrew fallen entirely into rare use--similar to the
> > situation
> > > with Latin before Vatican II? How do we know how close the
> > > pronunciations are now to what they were a few thousand years
> ago?
> > >
> > > --J
> >
> > The fact that Hebrew was used for religious purposes means that it
> was
> > never dead. And being so well maintained, the language should be
> close
> > to how it sounded two thousand years ago. But bear in mind, at that
> > early time Hebrew was not the dominant Semetic language of the
> Middle
> > East. (Nor was Arabic, for that matter.) Classical Aramaic was the
> > dominant one. Interesting how this language has all but
> disappeared!
> > They say it exists in a few villages in Syria.
> >
> > An interesting language that has truly died off is Ancient
> Egyptian.
> > We have an idea how it sounded, since we have figured out the
> > consonants and consonantal clusters. But the vowels are unknown. So
> > our best efforts to reproduce it would have to be off.
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
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