Re: Re: Back in the Saddle

From: Christophe <xof_at_chanticleer.com_at_hypermail.org>
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:10:28 -0700

Well, to be fair, the Anglican church split from Rome during the
Reformation, and many saw this as an opportunity to introduce
Protestant theology into the Anglican church. Anglicanism is and was
a very broad church, including both Anglo-Catholic/High Church-y
types and Puritan iconoclasts.

That being said, the Anglican church does indeed resemble the Roman
Catholic and Orthodox churches in one crucial respect: Personal
apostolic succession, as opposed to just doctrinal continuity.

On 12 Apr 2006, at 21:23, Michael Marinacci wrote:

> Not exactly. "Protestant" churches are all those sects who can
> trace their
> origins and *raisons d'etre* to Martin Luther and/or John Calvin. The
> Anglican Communion split from Rome for very different reasons, at a
> different time.
>
> In some ways, Anglicanism is almost like the Orthodoxy of English-
> speaking
> peoples, since it reflected a separation of an Apostolic, Catholic
> communion
> from Rome, rather than an attempt to establish a radically
> different form of
> Christian theology and organizational structure. An even better
> comparison
> would be to their sister churches on the Continent -- the European Old
> Catholics -- who left Rome after Vatican I's doctrinal innovations,
> yet are
> still considered "Catholic" albeit non-Roman.
>
> As for the Melkites: the RCC includes several "Eastern Rite"
> jurisdictions
> numbering many millions of people. They're essentially Orthodox
> who answer
> to the Patriarch of Rome. (Compare these to Rome's "Anglican Usage"
> parishes or the Orthodox "Western Rite" groups, which are composed
> largely
> of ex-Anglicans still getting used to life on the far side of the
> Bosporus
> or the Tiber.)
>
>
>
>
> Episcopalians are Protestants.
>
> And there's the unfortunate issue of the origins of Anglicanism. After
> all, a girl could really lose her head over a hunky monarch, once upon
> a time.
>
> --Q.M.
>
> On Apr 12, 2006, at 5:20 PM, Elena Dent wrote:
>
>> Aramaic is the liturgical language of the Melkites. How may there
>> are, I
>> haven't a clue. They're called 'Greek Rite' by the Roman Catholic
>> church
>> and were, at one time, the only 'church' I'd ever heard of whose
>> rites were
>> completely accepted by the Catholic Church (notorious for being
>> unwilling to
>> accept anyone, even Episcopalians)
>>
>> Elena
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: OliveStarlightOrchestra_at_yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:OliveStarlightOrchestra_at_yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
>> tschibasch
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:56 AM
>> To: OliveStarlightOrchestra_at_yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [OliveStarlightOrchestra] Re: Back in the Saddle
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>> --- In OliveStarlightOrchestra_at_yahoogroups.com, Joy McCann
>> <jmmccann_at_...> wrote:
>>>
>>> BTW, can't ANYONE tell me what it was like to have Hebrew
>> essentially
>>> resurrected as a language after it was nearly dead, used only in
>>> temples/synogogues (DO, pls. fix spelling there; thanks). I mean,
>>> hadn't Hebrew fallen entirely into rare use--similar to the
>> situation
>>> with Latin before Vatican II? How do we know how close the
>>> pronunciations are now to what they were a few thousand years ago?
>>>
>>> --J
>>
>> The fact that Hebrew was used for religious purposes means that
>> it was
>> never dead. And being so well maintained, the language should be
>> close
>> to how it sounded two thousand years ago. But bear in mind, at that
>> early time Hebrew was not the dominant Semetic language of the
>> Middle
>> East. (Nor was Arabic, for that matter.) Classical Aramaic was the
>> dominant one. Interesting how this language has all but disappeared!
>> They say it exists in a few villages in Syria.
>>
>> An interesting language that has truly died off is Ancient Egyptian.
>> We have an idea how it sounded, since we have figured out the
>> consonants and consonantal clusters. But the vowels are unknown. So
>> our best efforts to reproduce it would have to be off.
>>
>>
>> John
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